George W. Bush makes secret visit to mourning families at Fort Hood; Laura Bush goes too

Contrary to the contention of the legion of Bush-haters on Newsvine, the former president, while he was president, made many, many visits to Walter Reed and to meet with the families of soldiers killed in action but these visits were not publicized.

Bill, thought I'd see a comment from you on this. Is this the same compassion he showed by sending 4000 plus soldiers to die in the unnecessary war in Iraq. You know those soldiers who were trying to find the fictional WMD that GWB was so sure would lead to the destruction of the USA. Then after not finding the WMD he had the audacity to pretend to look for the WMD as a joke at a national press gathering. He made at least 50% of his speeches standing in front of military audiences, using our soldiers as props. I would hope the guilt he should feel for all the pain he himself has caused would compel him to visit these soldiers families for the rest of his life.

That was very good of him. I, for one, appreciate his involvement.

And he knows that Ft Hood wasnt on his watch. So no having to deal with a sense of guilt head on. Also, lets not confuse the issue; he couldnt deal with guilt feelings long enough to EVER make the painful journey to Dover. That's where it takes real courage. At Walter Reed, you will always have some soldier putting on false bravado for your("No sir, it doesnt hurt to much"). The dead couldnt do such allaying of fears for poor George at Dover. Dead dont talk. He'd have to rely on his own guts there...

Bull@!$%#. 17 of the 18 families the empty suit posing as the POTUS didn't assent to his little photo stunt. Go drop that @!$%# elsewhere.

rickg-808074 and jbird--

Was it really necessary to post?

You hate Bush fine great, who cares, this is about the families and the dead from the Fort Hood attack.

You all can hate Bush, whatever, he wasn't high on my list, but he is showing more class than the both of you.

showing more class than the both of you.

That's admittedly a low bar, however.

Bill Harrison--

Well *shrug* the way I see it, they can go start their own Bush hating seeds and opinion pieces.

This seed is about Him and his wife visiting the mourning families and showing support for the troops and paying tribute to those that died.

That is how I see it. Bush is not high on my list of people, but for people to make such disrespectful comments just to stomp on Bush, is pathetic. Using this seed as a platform for that behavior, is beyond juvenile.

Another terrorist.

Bill, yet you feel free to criticize Obama for visiting Dover. Sorry Bill, it is a two way street. Kshark I didn't realize that people should only post on this thread to heap praise on the former president. The language both you and Bill have posted about other posters to this thread leaves me to believe you are the part of the old "love it of leave it" crowd. Respect in my book is earned and Bush has never earned my respect.

Bill, reading your past hate filled comments about Obama, you should be the last person to comment on other people's class.

Bush's cowardice has been well documented since his airguard days. Truth hurts

He sure took flight like a scared chicken on 9/11. Winston Churchill never left London during the bombing…that's leadership.

jbird--

Kshark- Bush's cowardice has been well documented since his airguard days. Truth hurts and I feel free to post it. Nothing obscene, no foul language, oh well...

You are really sad.

So it means MORE to you to BASH BUSH than to simply SHUT UP and not say anything at all when this article is about him wanting to spend time with the families and to pay respects for the dead?

You are that obsessed with Bush to sully this seed for that selfish purpose?

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rickg-808074--

Why not go start your own sad Bush Bash seed and opinion piece. I cannot believe you people really have the audacity to attack the man that went to Fort Hood quietly to pay his respects to the DEAD and MOURNING FAMILIES.

Then respect the dead, No wait given your comments and language here, obviously you don't know how. I am sure the military would be really happy to know this.

Only willing underlings of facists would sit down and shut up over an "unpopular" opinion. Quite frankly, with only 20% of Americans claiming to be Repub, I REALLY doubt my opinion is all that unpopular(and yes I just compared the Bush admin to facism).

Bill, yet you feel free to criticize Obama for visiting Dover.

That's what got him on my 'ignore' list. It's a wonderful tool.

Bush sucks. Yes. McCain even ran for president on that. But this wasn't a bad thing. It was a good thing.

He also wrote letters to the all families of the fallen on his watch. These letters were not form letters with his signature, each one different and personal. He did it without fan fare or a media blitz.

Kshark, I have a great deal of respect for the people who sacrifice themselves for our country. I have a great deal of disrespect for anyone who would send them off to an unnecessary war. You seem to equate my disdain for Bush with my respect for life and death. I will give you the fact that this one act of compassion should be acknowleged. But it hardly makes up for his failure to acknowledge the huge mistake he made when he placed our troops in harms way without a compelling reason to do so. How can you show such support for a person who stood in front of the american people and told them that Iraq had WMD and was such a serious threat to our country that we had to invade. Then two years later when no WMD were found he is lifting up table cloths at a press gathering in DC and making jokes about not finding the WMD. Sorry if I look with very jaded eye anything this former president does. I had friends who lost sons and daughters in Iraq, do not attempt to tell me that because I do not respect Bush, I did not respect their sacrifice. I have directed my comments mainly at Bush and not at others posters on this thread, I would expect comments from you and other posters to do the same.

Go back to all the threads on Obama's visit to Dover, you will see all the vitriolic comments about the visit being entirely a "publicity stunt." Were you there defending Obama like your defending Bush today, if not, why not?

Go back to all the threads on Obama's visit to Dover, you will see all the vitriolic comments about the visit being entirely a "publicity stunt." Were you there defending Obama like your defending Bush today, if not, why not?

I am. Oh wait. That would make me consistent.

Yea me!

jbird--

Yeah and disrespectful, classless and arrogant selfish people would bother making rude and overly critical comments over a man that just wanted to quietly pay respects but instead you dredge up his past record, when quite frankly no one gives a snot right now because his past record is not what this is about.

You have no compassion or maturity.

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rickg-808074--

Go start your own bloody seed attacking Bush and leave this one alone. I do not care if you hate the man so much you want him dead, he wanted to do an admirable thing which is something you plainly cannot even fathom given you had to dredge up his past to issue your attacks, when ya know what, he tried to do this secretly, he wanted to pay his respects, something you actually cannot even do.

Any other seed that is about Bush, Bush pats a dog, Bush goes riding, whatever else, anything that is NOT related to hm visiting troops and especially not after a horrid attack upon the troops where they were gunned down out of the blue.

Look at you. You have no respect for anything. You couldn't have simply kept your mouth shut and started some other seed to @!$%# about him, maturity has been lost on you. And don't even start with that junk of the whole comparing Bush to Obama.

THIS IS NOT ABOUT THAT. IT IS ABOUT SHOWING RESPECT FOR THE TROOPS and their Families, something you clearly do not know how to do.

Contrary to the contention of the legion of Bush-haters on Newsvine, the former president, while he was president, made many, many visits to Walter Reed

I think he flew over.

The Left continue to show their hate and hypocrisy. Can't just shut your @!$%#ing traps for once and look at a good deed as being a good deed. Go take it somewhere else hypocrites.

Kshark, you did not answer my question. Were you supportive of Obama's visit to Dover? If not, your whole rant about being supportive of the troops is total BS. Why do you keep confusing support of the troops with support of Bush. Sorry, but that is just an ignorant position. One has nothing to do with the other.

By the way, when did I ever say I say that I wanted Bush dead. To tell you the truth I hope he lives a very long life, just so he has a long time to see the damage he's responsible for.

You don't know me at all, but yet you come on here and say I have no respect for anything. I show respect to all people that I think has earned that respect. Right or left of the political spectrum, I will listen to and respect a good argument. Your argument so far has been, disrespect Bush then you disrespect the troops.

This posting was not about showing respect to the troops. This post was about giving Bush a huge pat on the back for acting like a human being. Sorry but I did not make up the stories on Bush and his lack of compassion, they were out there for everyone to see. If you feel that is unfair to bring up Bush's past actions to rebut this Bush love fest, please argue with examples of the compassion he has showed over time.

Good article, classy move by President Bush who unlike the current resident at the WH, didn't try to turn his visit to comfort the families at Ft. Hood into a photo op...that's the difference between a President and an empty suit like Obama!

Agreed. Good move on the part of President and Mrs. Bush.

Andy, Obama did not try to turn his visit to Dover into a photo op. Try to understand this, their are a pool of reporters who follow the presidents every move. He cannot go anywhere without some press being around. President Bush gave half of his speeches during his presidency in front of military (captive) audiences. He blatantly used the military for political purposes, yet you have the audacity to criticize Obama's visit and praise Bush for his visit. Your hypocrisy is only outdone by your total lack of understanding.

Contrary to the contention of the legion of Bush-haters on Newsvine, the former president, while he was president, made many, many visits to Walter Reed

Yet he decided, he was the "decider" you know, not to do anything to improve conditions at Walter Reed.

Obama did not try to turn his visit to Dover into a photo op.

rickg-your wrong and I qoute from the ABC news "These trips to visit with wounded troops are not open to the press -- the small group of reporters who accompany the president every day do travel to the medical facility with him, but they are not permitted inside as he meets with the soldiers and their families."

As opposed to thye Obama photo op on film of him saluting the remains at Dover...get your facts straight rick!

These trips to visit with wounded troops are not open to the press -- the small group of reporters who accompany the president every day do travel to the medical facility with him, but they are not permitted inside as he meets with the soldiers and their families.

These visits offer the wounded soldiers an opportunity to meet their commander in chief, and most do not want to do that in the glare of cameras and lights. It gives the president an opportunity to privately thank them for their service and hear about their experiences.

The White House releases a few pictures of the president with the service members, but these are moments that are not captured by a television camera.

Bush frequently meets with families of fallen soldiers when he is flying in or out of cities with military bases. These visits are also not open to the press, and the president does not talk about what he hears from the families.

Here's ABC news story I cited in post 1.29

http://www.abcnews.go.com/Politics/story?id=2746873&page=1

Yet he decided, he was the "decider" you know, not to do anything to improve conditions at Walter Reed.

Wrong as usual Tappy.

(AP) President Bush pushed Congress on Tuesday to help modernize the government's inefficient system that cares for wounded veterans of war.

The president said his administration had implemented most recommendations made in July by the bipartisan Commission on Care for America's Returning Wounded Warriors, and now it was Congress' turn to finish the job.

Mr. Bush sent legislation to Capitol Hill for implementing those recommendations that require legislative action.

Mr. Bush set up the commission after shoddy outpatient treatment was uncovered in February at the Walter Reed Army Medical Center in Washington that prompted public outcry for improvements.

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2007/10/17/national/main3376529.shtml?source=RSSattr=Health_3376529

He sure took flight like a scared chicken on 9/11. Winston Churchill never left London during the bombing…that's leadership.

2Tail...apparently you missed the story that day. President Bush was removed from Florida on Air Force One by his security detail just as the VP was taken away to his secure location. By procedure, the security detail did exactly what was requirted of them and that was to keep the President out of harm's way until such a time as his safety was verified. It was well reported that Pres Bush was pressing to go back to DC but the Secret Service disallowed it until the situation in New York was under control.

Air Force One made at least two landings, one in Louisiana and one somewhere in the midwest (?), where Pres Bush made live air remarks at both stops on the tarmac.

He returned to DC roughly 48 hours later once the secret service determined he was not in danger.

President and Mrs Bush acted as all loyal Americans would have wished they could. I'm sure that most Americans would have wished they could visit the devastated families of Fort Hood and paid their respects and offered some comfort to all the injured and the mourners.

2Tailpuppy

Before you post...know what the heck you're talking about. The President did not run away on 9/11. He was put on Air Force One and taken to safety. We had no idea whether many more attacks were coming our way and the commander in chief had to be taken to safety to be able to coordinate our response to the cowards who attacked us on that day.

I'd say this is the least this spineless POS could do, seeing as how it's his lie of a war that they're being injured and killed in. Also the fact that it was this BS war in Iraq, that the shooter was afraid of deploying to, and that he had been counseling soldiers on which is what led to the shootings. I wonder why Bush didn't go to Fort Hood in a flight suit with a "Mission Accomplished" banner flying high over his head? Bush doesn't respect the fallen soldiers, the wounded ones, or their families. All he is greatful for is that there were Americans foolish enough to believe his lies and enlist in his murderous crusade in Iraq. They've made tons of oil money for him and his family and friends. Of course he supports the troops now that the criminal endeavor in Iraq is complete.

Like a true coward, he went in the middle of the night, scared of press coverage.

Andy, I just read the ABC article you posted and I cannot find one reference to the president using his visit to Dover as a photo op. So I'm guessing that in "your opinion" Obama was using this as a photo op. I hate to tell you Andy, but your opinions are not facts. So the next time you want to relate some actual "facts" not "opinions" let me know.

If it were my son or daughter who had perished at Ft. Hood, I can honestly say that I would appreciate a visit from both President and former President. I am guessing though that the one I would appreciate the most is the one without a photo shoot.

Note though, that as president of the US, you would be expected to show up and pay your regards, whereas the ex president is under no such obligation.

I wonder why Bush didn't go to Fort Hood in a flight suit with a "Mission Accomplished" banner flying high over his head?

There is still a false sense of what that banner actually referred to. The mission accomplished was in fact the mission of taking out Saddam Hussein. When that banner was flown, Hussein had in fact been captured so no, the banner didn't lie.

Andy, I just read the ABC article you posted and I cannot find one reference to the president using his visit to Dover as a photo op. So I'm guessing that in "your opinion"

rickg-The article I cited was written before Obama took office and it is an example of President Bush visiting wounded troops and NOT using it as a photo op. this was in response to your assertion in post 1.27.

President Bush gave half of his speeches during his presidency in front of military (captive) audiences. He blatantly used the military for political purposes, yet you have the audacity to criticize Obama's visit and praise Bush for his visit. Your hypocrisy is only outdone by your total lack of understanding.

If your looking for a reference about Obama using his visit to Dover, look for The original NYT article that they conveniently changed, most likely after pressure from the WH.

Looks like even the NYT thought Obama visit to Dover AFB was a photo op:

The images and the sentiment of the president's five-hour trip to Delaware were intended by the White House to convey to the nation that Mr. Obama was not making his Afghanistan decision lightly or in haste.

But have changed their story...wonder who got to them:

The trip was a symbolic one for Mr. Obama, given the gravity of his coming announcement of a new strategy for Afghanistan.

The image of the commander in chief standing on a darkened tarmac, offering a salute to one of the soldiers, highlighted the poignancy of a decision he is facing.

http://www.mudvillegazette.com/032829.html

How much of a secret could it be....we all know.

Julian in Dallas

You have the audacity to blame President Bush for the murders and injuries of all these young soldiers at the hands of the Muslim coward who shot them?

Stop deflecting attention to the real facts...our soldiers were shot by a cowardly, muslim terrorist.

Andy, every one of the articles you quoted states an opinion of the reason for the Obama visit. I don't care if the NY Times or the Washington Times thinks it was a photo op. The only people who could possibly know the reason(s) Obama went to Dover, are Obama and anyone he chose to tell. So unless you have a direct quote from Obama or from someone he told, then your assertion that Obama's visit was a photo op is based on "opinions" not "facts." So maybe the next time you tell someone to "get your facts straight," we will know these are facts and not opinions.

Andy, every one of the articles you quoted states an opinion of the reason for the Obama visit. I don't care if the NY Times or the Washington Times thinks it was a photo op.

The NYT article was not an "opinion piece" it was a hard news article and they are about as far left of center in there reporting as you can get.

So unless you have a direct quote from Obama or from someone he told, then your assertion that Obama's visit was a photo op is based on "opinions" not "facts."

rick- Thanks for conceding the argument with your ridiculous "unless you have a direct quote from Obama or from someone he told" The only opinions offered in the exchange are from you, try doing your homework next time before making a fool of yourself.

Andy, are you saying that the NY times knew what Obama motive was? You know this for sure? Man you or the NY Times must be clairvoyant, because I have yet to hear one solid piece of evidence that Obama's visit was a photo op.

I'll concede the argument, when you provide one fact to support your argument. But, like all your previous posts, you have no facts to offer.

By the way, I never stated an opinion whether I thought it was a photo op or not. So your comment about the opinions I "offered" in this exchange is kind of like your facts, total BS. I always do my homework, you should do the same.

By the way, I never stated an opinion whether I thought it was a photo op or not.

This is you never stating an opinion in post 1.27

"Andy, Obama did not try to turn his visit to Dover into a photo op".

And in closing.

I always do my homework, you should do the same.

Does always doing your homework include, remembering statements that YOU posted just yesterday?...Quit while your behind rick!

Andy, again you did answer my question. If you think that you can "win" the argument by not offering facts, you will be just like all those other conservative blowhards who offer their opinions as fact. Ok, my "opinion" was that I did not think Obama's visit was a photo op. But, you have as much proof of your "opinion" as I have of mine. What's the matter, can't face the fact the you have no argument to support your claim. Unlike you, I'm not asking you to quit, I'm asking you to back your claim that Obama's trip was a photo op. If you can't back your assertion, then you lost the argument a long time ago.

Ok, my "opinion" was that I did not think Obama's visit was a photo op.

You have an amazing grasp of the obvious rick.

I cited two articles to back up my position, you on the other hand, offered nothing but your opinion to back yours.

And you have an amazing ability of avoiding the obvious Andy. Reading through the articles you posted I cannot find one reference to the president's visit being a photo op, but even if they did, it would not make your position any stronger or more fact based. I bet you I could find articles that say Obama's visit to Dover was a great act of compassion. But whats the point, I could not use those articles as proof of my position any more than you can use the articles you posted as proof of your position. The articles you posted gave reasons why the NY Times thought Obama made his visit, they do not quote the president or the WH as to why the president went to Dover. What I have been saying all along Andy is that it is your "opinion" that the president visit to Dover was a photo op and that because of this assertion you think he's an "empty suit" as a president. Why dont you just admit that your photo op position is your "opinion" and is not based on known facts.

tyler--

Why did you restore the comments? Why are you enabling this seed to be about Bashing Bush instead of just accepting it to be about the troops and Bush and Laura, (even if you do not like them) doing something with compassion about the troops that were killed and the families suffering?

Why did you have to permit that?

I find it interesting that these comments are restored, but a serial deleter like Carloz, gets to delete whomever and whenever he wants, oh...I forgot, he's a liberal...never mind.

Therese, my comments were not directed at you, apologies if I gave you that impression.

I believe you are relatively new to Newsvine, I was just pointing out the double standard by the so called "moderators" when it comes to deleting and restoring posts.

Thanks...great seed by the way!

PM sent.

tyler--

No tyler you restored comments that were obviously collapsed for a reason and NO really relating to the seed considering the fact the comments were attacking Bush and Laura for no bloody reason. All they did in a benevolent manner was visit Fort Hood quietly to pay their respects and you have restored the comments that were attacking this gesture.

I am sorry I do not find that acceptable.

The comments were not on topic, but what you displayed was your hatred of Bush by allowing the comments, when this seed is really about paying respects to those that died and the surviving families.

Obviously the posts WERE collapsed for a GOOD REASON.

People did say they were not fans of Bush but at the same time they showed respect for what he did for Fort Hood. What you did was restore the comments that were just attacking Bush for no other reason other then the posters hated Bush.

So no, they were not on topic posts, but I guess now I do see how biased your moderation is.

tyler--

This seed, and most of us even noticed, was really about the troops, more than it was about Bush.

Obviously the posts were actually collapsed for a reason, because the people here felt they were not necessary. Nothing was deleted they were merely collapsed.

That was our decision to make, obviously people felt the comments were wrong to be included in this seed or else they would not have been collapsed.

This seed has NOTHING to do with the war in Iraq. This has NOTHING to do with previous visits, or WMDs, or Iraq NOTHING.

This is about the troops and whomever else were fired upon and died at Fort Hood, and the surviving families. People complaining about Bush, bashing him, complaining about Iraq, about WMDs and whatever else that happened during his terms has NOTHING TO DO WITH THIS SEED.

Those comments detracted from the seed and what happened at Fort Hood by bringing up unrelated information from years ago.

There is a difference between restoring comments of bashing politicians that have NO relation to a tragic event and restoring comments that are attacking a man that is NOT in office and was doing something kind DUE TO A TRAGIC EVENT. If you restore posts in seeds that have no relation to any tragic event go for it, I really do not care as the politics currently in the US is outright disgusting, but this seed was a simple gesture by Bush and Laura towards the living and mourning families of those that perished at Fort Hood.

So seriously please do feel free to explain to me how WMDs and the Iraq War have any on topic relation to what happened at Fort Hood. I would really like to see that connection.

Then I guess we are even, as I find you restoring the comments kind of offensive and you find my comment kind of offensive.

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Kshark

Maybe its because some of us think his secret visit is a disgraceful event. As he does have a history of being a horrible President, a liar, a murderer, an agent of torture etc.

It is the opinion of some of us that while he was President he should not have put us into a war against people who did not attack us. He refused to give equipment to protect those he sent to fight his war, he did not acknowledge the deaths as they happened while he was in office and to some of us it is disgusting that now that this happened down the road from him he would sneak in for only an hour or so.

So many of you, especially you, would support him and tear apart our current President and seek to silence any who would disagree with you. How ironic that you declare your own right to speak and do as you want but deny that right to others including Tyler.

You have your opinion but somehow you think the rest of us don't have a right to express ours.

I am sure you will disagree with this. Please feel free to try and silence me. You opened the discussion on this. I am simple responding.

I believe George W Bush is a disgrace to this country. I truly hope he is tried for murder, torture and any other charge that can be brought against him. I do not hate him but I hate what he has done to this country. I hate what he has done to the people who he has caused to die and suffer, and the negative impact he has had on the world in general.

By the way I have a nephew who just came home, alive, no thanks to Bush. Two more to go.

He is a coward and by sneaking around doing this stunt he shows it, again. See again I reference the topic. I find this act reprehensible considering how he treated the troops while in office. Now he cares? I doubt it and nothing you have said changes my mind.

I respect your right to have an opinion. I wholeheartedly disagree with it and think that support of this person is support of his crimes. Feel free to believe however you want. I do.

Have a nice day.

SayWhat-1315936--

Well Therese Nelson said it for me.

Well said Therese!

Your opinion of his Foriegn Policies has nothing to do with this couple showing their love and concern in this time of great sorrow.

The point that none of you get is that it has everything to do with it.

While President he started the war that killed so many.

He lied to all of us.

He dared the terrorist to come and attack us before 9/11.

Everyday when the "butcher's bill" came in he was smiling for the camera's, not showing pain and compassion for those lost or their loved ones.

Instead of going after the true terrorists of 9/11 he sent troops to attack innocent people, women and children among them. You only care for your own children?

He put his OK on torture, against people that haven't been found guilty of a crime. Would you like to be taken from your bed in the middle of the night, taken to another country, held and tortured?

He trashed the Constitution and our rights.

And he has the audacity to sneak in to a base he shouldn't be on in the middle of a mass murder investigation. To me he disgraced not only the troops, but those who fell during his watch, their families, their country men and women (us) and the world. It is an insult. Too little, too late.

To me he is a war criminal. A traitor to this country. A mass murderer. A disgrace to our country and to its citizens.

I have seen many attacks in this seed on President Obama. Here are a couple.

now respect him much more than I did when he held the presidency (which was not much. But even so, is more than I respect the current holder of that office).

Bull@!$%#. 17 of the 18 families the empty suit posing as the POTUS didn't assent to his little photo stunt. Go drop that @!$%# elsewhere.

classy move by President Bush who unlike the current resident at the WH, didn't try to turn his visit to comfort the families at Ft. Hood into a photo op...that's the difference between a President and an empty suit like Obama!

As opposed to thye Obama photo op on film of him saluting the remains at Dover...

If it were my son or daughter who had perished at Ft. Hood, I can honestly say that I would appreciate a visit from both President and former President. I am guessing though that the one I would appreciate the most is the one without a photo shoot.

Note though, that as president of the US, you would be expected to show up and pay your regards, whereas the ex president is under no such obligation.

If your looking for a reference about Obama using his visit to Dover, look for The original NYT article that they conveniently changed, most likely after pressure from the WH.

Looks like even the NYT thought Obama visit to Dover AFB was a photo op:

This is an example of the Obama bashing that you ignore and encourage by your silence. President Obama is trying to clean up the mess that Bush left. But not a word how wrong that is. I would call that selective indignation.

One of the big problems I have with people like you Kshark is that you feel entitled, special, above the rules. Your opinion matters but mine doesn't. You're right, I'm wrong.

If Bush sneaking in here offends me why am I not allowed to say so? Who made you the only voice? When I signed up here it was to have intelligent, respectful dialogue and debate about world issues. As far as I know I haven't violated the code that I agreed to or had any of my comments deleted.

I have been called a traitor and worse because I have an opinion. Your desire to censure the voices around you is childish at best, and your petty rant at Tyler shows you simply don't understand. Do you not support the Constitution and my rights? Or are they reserved for only people who believe as you do?

Obviously the posts were actually collapsed for a reason, because the people here felt they were not necessary. Nothing was deleted they were merely collapsed.

That was our decision to make, obviously people felt the comments were wrong to be included in this seed or else they would not have been collapsed.

This seed has NOTHING to do with the war in Iraq. This has NOTHING to do with previous visits, or WMDs, or Iraq NOTHING.

Thankfully the powers that be allow us all to give voice to our opinions. Come the day we can't you also will be silenced and world we know will be over.

I respect this country, I even love it. And the principles it is based on. All people created equal. Then they grow up and get all full of themselves.

Until you can respect the fact that your opinion is not the only one we can never have a healthy dialogue. You will be the self righteous confused individual you are. Give me the right that you take for granted and we might even become friends that agree to disagree. But continue to tell me and others that we have no right to our opinions but you do and I will continue to declare as loud as I can that my opinion is just as valid as yours.

I agree.

And not turning it into a photo shoot was something I doubt any other current or past president could stand doing.

I now respect him much more than I did when he held the presidency (which was not much. But even so, is more than I respect the current holder of that office).

Oh please, the only reason he avoided press coverage was to also avoid hecklers and people who would call him out on the war and it's toll on our troops.

What a spineless, chickenhawk, coward.

nice attack on his character. since he isnt here to defend himself, what does that make you...

California Militia

nice attack on his character. since he isnt here to defend himself, what does that make you...

Just to clarify- that would apply to to every character attack on every seed, including the ones against President Obama in this one?

Do you have a good comment or information yet?

No, I just thought that all the sappy god blesses and attempts at proselytizing were actually out of place.

Therese

Say hi for me.